ok then, something funky with the server. forgive me for being lazy, i did the homegroup trouble shooter, it came up with an unsyncronized clock, i told it to fix it, really i don't even know if it was a problem or it fixed it, anyway, mapped the drive, browsed to the music folder, i did have to create the new lps folder and i am ready to test. i couldn't even browse to it before, but really, the clocks weren't the same? fix it? now i can see it on the expanded network, but a clock setting preventing me from even mapping a drive? well i will be evaluating, thanks for your imput!